To Conflate or Not To Conflate?
When Science Meets the Social Networks Over Transgender Rights
This one goes in the Hippie Historian Transwars cache. There is not a coffee drinker in the world who can roll out of bed at 5:30 am , go straight to their desk to check their email because their brother had texted them to do it, be greeted by this at the top of their feed at Facebook and still be at their desk, 2 1/2 hours later, having done little else besides drink water, smoke tobacco and weed and respond to misinformed people about the science of sex and gender or their poor manners and outlandish bigotry. I still haven’t checked my email yet and won’t until I’m done with this. I guess i can relax now. Facebook blocked me for a week for one of my comments. LOL! They reinstated the comment. No block.
Lisa Toinen Mullen is an Australian post-op trans woman with some very serious tech credentials who has been out in the middle of all this longer than me. She should be numbered along with people like Brynn Tannehill and Julia Serano as the people most qualified to speak to the science of sex and gender participating in the social networks. At Facebook, Antonia D’Orsay and Kelley Winters run International Transgender Health and my group the Science of Sex and Gender Library has numerous health care practioners and researchers in the roster. An excellent full inclusion group is Breanna Spiteri-Philips Trans People and the Allies Who Support Them.
By conflating gender and sex we undermine sporting competition
Laurel Hubbard is set to become the first openly transgender athlete to compete at the Olympics. Photograph: Mark Schiefelbein/AP
Lisa Toinen Mullin Usual Guardian transphobic lies. Trans women have been allowed to compete in the 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2021 Olympics.In all that time only 1...yes one..has met the performance qualification requirements ..one (and who just squeaked in at 15th place).Not exactly proof of past testosterone exposure giving a permanent advantage, eh?In fact even those caught illegally using steroids are rarely banned for life..as it is known the effects wear off. But never let facts get in the road of lying transphobia from a newspaper that wants trans peoples existing rights removed and compulsory conversion therapy done on them.
Teejay Wasserberg Lisa Toinen Mullin here's a literature review you'll find useful. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/
NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV
Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies
Angie Atkinson · Follow Wow these comments are TERFy as hell, damn
Teejay WasserbergBerni Bell no it's not. it's no different than whites only drinking fountains.
Teejay Wasserberg Joyce V Strand Religious fanatics have created a furor over a problem that doesn't exist. Transgender women have been competing for decades in women's sports and few have ever dominated their fields. To deny grade school children the right to compete in their identified gender is just flaming paranoia because there is no significant difference in the muscles and skeletons of pre-pubescent children.
Teejay Wasserberg Omar Ruiz I'm an intersex female; male below the belt and female above it. My pronouns are "she/it" ( say it loud, i'm she/it and proud. happy pride month queers defending trans rights from the misinformed here today) .What would you like to know? I fully support Angie's perspective here so far.
Teejay Wasserberg Angie Atkinson Picture a lot of eye rolls and face palms.
Teejay Wasserberg Mary Jane Jacobs The views expressed here that Angie has been calling out are largely grounded in shitty scripture interpretations, obsolete biology, debunked pseudoscience and paranoid delusions. they deserve to be nipped in the bud, but i do agree that name calling is counter productive. it's always much more effective to tell a person gently why they're full of shit instead of simply declaring that they're full of shit.
Teejay Wasserberg Capt Clarkers try me. what argument do you have that you believe is a legitimate concern and I'll be glad to show you why you're wrong without calling you any names.
Teejay Wasserberg Angie Atkinson I would caution you against speaking for anybody other than yourself and any trans friends who have given you clearance to speak for them.
Teejay Wasserberg Angie Atkinson i'm starting to get a little irritated at some of the claims you're making.
Teejay Wasserberg Daniel Czarny Your statement without data is nothing more than an opinion, sir. Your attempt to claim scientific fact in this manner would be laughed off the podium at even a high school debate.
Teejay Wasserberg Davy Prendergast When your political opinion dehumanizes a population out of misinformed prejudice, revulsion is a very reasonable response, though Angie's tactics are a little reactionary and rude for my tastes. If you question my existence, you can expect my resistance. Let me just say your anti-trans position in sports is invalid. I'm an intersex female; male below the belt and female above it; that "other sex" people conditioned to believe in the validity of the strict heteronormative sex/gender binary deny. Tell me about myself? I can use the chuckle this morning.
Teejay WasserbergLia Hordos how about misinformed? If you persist in insisting that your invalid opinion is correct, that's transphobia, dear.
Teejay WasserbergElizabeth Bowers this was the comment i left that bigoted blowhard: Really what you should do is pull your self consumed head out of your bigoted ass , lady. your thoughts are unbelievably full of crap. Transgender people have been around forever and in most societies, they are at least tolerated. Your passive/aggressive pseudo-intellectual palaver here is pure garbage, lady.
The Facebook bot decided to block me for 7 days for this remark that was a comment left on this disgusting transphobic video:Teejay WasserbergAnthony Brazier yes, very. like whites only drinking fountains offensive.
Teejay Wasserberg Angie Atkinson you're only seeing your friends' faces, dear. Your behavior in this thread is considered problematic by the global network of advocates and local organizers. You're being far too confrontational and you're not backing your opinions up with links to the evidence-based facts.
Teejay WasserbergAngie Atkinson I think you need to re-evaluate your tactics, lady. Your behavior here is quite offensive to me. Your arguments are just as irrational as the people you're arguing with and all the name calling is harmful to the transgender community because you're alienating all the fence sitters by doing it. Trans people should never speak for anybody but themselves and cis people, as allies, need to follow the lead of the trans advocates, not go off half cocked on their own, like some 21st century Joan of Arc.
Teejay WasserbergDaniel Czarny your arguments are specious and nothing but the misinformed opinions of a privileged bigot.
Teejay WasserbergAngie Atkinson i don't know what sort of trans women are your friends, but our pioneering advocates, like Caroline Cossey and Lynn Conway have a reputation for being charming, witty and capable of tremendous grace under fire. Your comments here have been anything but that.
Teejay Wasserberg Pedro Fp your questions are grounded in debatable scripture interpretations , obsolete biology, debunked pseudoscience and paranoid delusions . when somebody like myself comes along and politely tries to correct you, you double down with the laugh emoji and a rude comment. Then you whine when the trans person comes back at you with their fangs bared and claws out. who's the pendejo maricon here, amigo? It seems to me the real snowflakes melting down are the bigoted morons who believe everything they're fed by their pastors, bosses and the right wing press.
Teejay Wasserberg Daniel Czarny Human Biology 101 is not the bible, mister. Scientific "facts" about the science of sex and gender tend not to stay facts for very long. You are standing on a very rudimentary understanding of obsolete biology, sir and the scientific understanding of what's going on is changing rapidly, as long term clinical study findings and sophisticated biochemical test results come in.
Teejay Wasserberg Louise Parkinson I disagree. Arguments delivered in the manner that Angie has been delivering them tend to alienate the undecided watching. Calling somebody a TERF or transphobe is not proof of their being one.She needs to refute the premises, not to try and marginalize the person's competence to make the assertions. That's just irrational ad hominem fallacy argumentation and completely counterproductive. When we engage fools on their terms, the bystanders see nothing but two fools arguing.
Teejay WasserbergMatt Sheldon may i suggest you actually study the science before trying to talk about it?
Teejay Wasserberg Djp Payne while Angie's arguments have been pretty irrational, all of your arguments about the science of sex and gender have been invalid. Sometimes the militant TRAs are a bigger problem for the advocates and organizers than the Nazis, TERFs, religious fanatics and gay men trying to curry favor with straight people by hating on trans women.It's a very rapidly changing knowledge base. Please get current.
Liz JudgeHallelujah! A brilliant article from The Guardian and I have to say it’s very rarely that I can say that. Watch all the haters come out now and say the author is being transphobic. Look at the science folks, it simply isn’t fair what is being allowed to happen. Set up a transgender category - that would be fair.Teejay WasserbergLiz Judge that's extremely bigoted. how about a "whites only" category so you don't have to be outperformed by black people in so many sports?
Liz JudgeTeejay Wasserberg oh what a ridiculous comparison! White athletes at least stand a chance of competing against their black counterparts. This in an entirely different situation, I am not bigoted and there is no comparison. Black females do not have more than a 30% advantage in muscular strength over white females for instance. To have genuine concerns is not bigoted. Let’s continue to see what the science says is all I’m saying.
Teejay WasserbergLiz Judge i'm glad you have the awareness to recognize that. now let's see if you can understand that your concerns are grounded in obsolete biology, debunked pseudoscience and paranoid delusions. the actual science says you are wrong on all counts.
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